After a friend posted on FB about "nice guys", I was going to write a post about what a misnomer it was, and how being self-absorbed, sycophantic and unable to empathize doesn't make you nice, it makes you an asshole on par with the bad attitude boys... even if you open doors.
However, then I read a link to
a "Nice Guys" post, and I wanted to put down my feelings about that.
It starts out really well, pointing out the differences between men who are, in her estimation, genuinely nice and "Nice Guys" as a category - people who use being nice, in their terms, as a badge of entrance to a woman's naughty bits, and are outraged that someone could use any other factor for dating.
I am totally behind her on the idea that "Nice Guys" like these define their rejection by the "object" of their desire in terms of how messed up the girl/guy is, how they prefer a bad boy who will beat or abuse them vs their "Nice Guy" selves. Missing the point that disrespecting a person's right to choose their partner is the opposite of nice.
However, it quickly devolves into a rambling 3-page diatribe that I'm pretty uncomfortable with. She uses three pages to lay out the "Nice Guy" in general, with lots of "they tend to not clean themselves, because they think being nice should over-ride being clean" (a very unlikely reason for a person's hygiene issues).
As she delves into the nitty-gritty of sarcastic responses, inability to pick up socks, and the need for a "sympathy fuck", I can't help but think that she's basing her definition on one person who was particularly terrible to her. And he was clearly a total tool, but I think she's conflating a few different types of people that (surprise) sometimes Venn diagram together. Not every "Nice Guy" can't dress themselves or bathe, and they don't all use the same tactics. Not every "Nice Guy" is directionless.
All that said, I did enjoy her list of suggestions for people who think they might fall into that "Nice Guy" category. Most of them boil down to this: Stop assuming another person doesn't have a
perfectly valid and just right to their own opinions. This was particularly good:
"Don't for the love of pete be Mr. Bad Touch. If she just squirmed over a few inches, it's not because she wants you to close the distance.
Flirting without expecting a return on investment is ok. Active seduction when there are clear signs that it is welcome is ok. Trying to constantly slip in "innocent" gropes, innuendo, kisses, or anything else when she's not interested is the adult equivalent of "are we there yet? are we there yet? how about now? how about now?""
When she said "You might think she was oversensitive, but you have no idea what it is like to be a woman in a world where we have to deal with unwelcome aggressive attention all the time" I wanted to say back, "That's totally true, but even moreso, you just plain don't know what it is like to be that person. Even if you somehow grok the former, a person's life is way complicated - don't assume you know how they should react to you."
The most useful part of her post for all people, Nice Guy or not, was this:
Bring something to the table besides basic human decency. I'm not talking about money. Be responsible for yourself, your life, and your happiness. Have good things in your life that you want to share with a wonderful woman, rather than expecting her to fill the holes in your life.
EDIT: Pleased to see that in her
redux (seriously, is the word that common?) she said exactly that, that it was a rant that came from a particularly bad experience. It's better for that context.